Living in the Process
Reaching goals only lasts for a few moments, but the journey we take toward the goal is what makes up our day-to-day lives. So how do we learn to appreciate the journey--to build a life for ourselves that we love--while chasing our dreams?
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Hi, this is Matt Stagliano and thanks for being
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Matt Stagliano:as a process instead of a skill or a talent. We believe everyone
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Nicole York:Alright, welcome, everybody to morning walk and
Nicole York:photo talk. I see so many of our friends here this morning. So
Nicole York:glad to have you guys getting back together after our weekend
Nicole York:heading towards the holidays. And Monday, of course, is our
Nicole York:day for casual conversations. But I do actually kind of have
Nicole York:something I want to talk about a little bit today. So just as
Nicole York:like a general framework, but if you're interested in coming and
Nicole York:hanging out with everybody this morning and chatting, just go
Nicole York:ahead and raise your hands will snatch up. But what I kind of
Nicole York:want to talk about today is my my brother, who is really
Nicole York:similar to me, in that he also is a multidisciplinary artist.
Nicole York:He's a musician and an artist and he has been working
Nicole York:construction, she really enjoys the job. But of course, it's a
Nicole York:lot of work. And so it's pulled him away from some of his other
Nicole York:artistic pursuits. And now that he's got a little more time in
Nicole York:the wintertime with construction slowing down, he's able to pick
Nicole York:up some of those things again, and he was telling me to him
Nicole York:this morning, he said, You know, it's taking them a long time to
Nicole York:get back to the skill that he had before. And he's like, I
Nicole York:don't feel special anymore. You know, and it's it's tempting to
Nicole York:just leave everything and keep my head down and just go be a
Nicole York:worker bee. And it was really interesting to me that in those
Nicole York:situations, we're kind of looking at the outcome of what
Nicole York:we've made, as the important thing, you know, like that
Nicole York:outcome is the goal. And, of course it is in a big way. But
Nicole York:we forget the fact that the outcome is only a result of the
Nicole York:journey. And we've talked about before the fact that the goal is
Nicole York:going to last us a few seconds before we're back on the road,
Nicole York:right? It's kind of like a pit stop. And so I told him that,
Nicole York:well, first I told him to shut up his damn head. And don't say
Nicole York:things like, but I'm also to remember that the journey is the
Nicole York:important part. And he's working with clay specifically and
Nicole York:modeling the human face. And as, as you're if anybody's ever
Nicole York:worked with clay before, you'll know that there's just pleasure
Nicole York:in the working of it right in the feel of it in your hands and
Nicole York:the way that it moves, and the way that you interact with the
Nicole York:media itself. So it just got me thinking about the fact that the
Nicole York:goal is not the result, even though it is the goal is the
Nicole York:experience and the doing of the thing, and that we have to
Nicole York:remind ourselves over and over again, that it's the journey,
Nicole York:right? It's the steps that we take every day, it's being here
Nicole York:in the morning, even though the outcome is I feel better when
Nicole York:I'm with you guys, and more adjusted. And I feel I'm
Nicole York:learning stuff from you all the time. It's the journey, and the
Nicole York:steps that I take every morning with you guys that I'm really
Nicole York:participating in, not necessarily the goal. That's
Nicole York:just a cool thing that I get every now and then. So I wanted
Nicole York:to hear what you guys think about. I mean, obviously, from
Nicole York:his perspective, this is him building backup, a skill set
Nicole York:that he's lost. I'm sure we all know what that's like, I'm
Nicole York:trying to climb more often. And I got a really good lesson
Nicole York:yesterday, and how much strength and endurance I've lost. And
Nicole York:it's frustrating. But, but I love to climb so much. I'm
Nicole York:willing to go through that frustration. So I'm really
Nicole York:curious how you guys feel about this entire process, what it's
Nicole York:like, not only to build yourself up into things, but the process
Nicole York:itself, you know, and the fact that that's where we live. So if
Nicole York:that can be maybe a guiding motivator to ease us in the
Nicole York:conversation. That would be super cool. And if anybody's
Nicole York:here today, who wants to chat, come up and hang out up here in
Nicole York:the in the Speaker's forum, raise your hand and we'll pull
Nicole York:you up. And if my treadmill gets really loud, let me know because
Nicole York:this is my first experiment with it in the mornings here. And
Nicole York:I'll meet myself more often if it's bad, but
Matt Stagliano:I feel like I constantly live in that space.
Matt Stagliano:Like, no matter what my goal is, right? Let's say it's
Matt Stagliano:photography, or fitness or videography, or business, or
Matt Stagliano:whatever it is, I feel like I'm always in that space where I'm
Matt Stagliano:constantly starting, I'm constantly learning, there's
Matt Stagliano:always more, it's the very much the student mindset, right? And
Matt Stagliano:I never feel like I get to the point where I'm like, Okay, no,
Matt Stagliano:I'm good here. So when I lapse, like, if I don't go to the gym
Matt Stagliano:for a long time, and I start over, it's kind of what I'm used
Matt Stagliano:to, I feel, I feel like I never get to the point where I'm
Matt Stagliano:uncomfortable and that I've made it net. Oh, this is about as far
Matt Stagliano:as I have to go. I feel like I'm constantly going through that,
Matt Stagliano:whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, I don't know. But I
Matt Stagliano:think there's so many variables mixed into it. For my personal
Matt Stagliano:case, I just, I've never gotten to the point where I feel like I
Matt Stagliano:have to build back because I'm just constantly building.
Nicole York:That's a really interesting point. And I think,
Nicole York:I'm guessing that a lot of us can identify, it's that feeling
Nicole York:of being a Constant Learner, right. And it doesn't
Nicole York:necessarily have to be the building back, I think that we
Nicole York:focus on, it definitely can be the recognition, and how we
Nicole York:actually live in that space, like recognizing that the goal
Nicole York:is just a passing thing. And that really, that every day,
Nicole York:that each individual step forward, that's really, I mean,
Nicole York:that's the goal. If anybody's, if anybody's ever read the Way
Nicole York:of Kings, there's a thing that gets repeated, which is journey
Nicole York:before destination. And that's kind of the way that I'm
Nicole York:starting to come to think of it because once you get there, it's
Nicole York:done. It's the getting there. That's the the main part of it,
Nicole York:you know, I want my I want my everyday life and my process, to
Nicole York:feel like something I want to be doing, you know, and to focus on
Nicole York:that part of it. And not necessarily was the end result,
Nicole York:everything that I hoped but was every day, a day that I was
Nicole York:happy to live and an experience I was happy to have and what I
Nicole York:have it like what I continue to work with the clay or what I
Nicole York:continue to climb or take photos or whatever. Despite the fact
Nicole York:that maybe the results take are a little harder to get.
Matt Stagliano:Yeah, and I think they're in lies some of it
Matt Stagliano:right. This is a very results driven society that we're in,
Matt Stagliano:right, where we don't get the chance to do outside pressure,
Matt Stagliano:we don't get the chance to relax and enjoy the journey. Right.
Matt Stagliano:And the people that I find that do enjoy that journey, and have
Matt Stagliano:made peace with it and think that that is the goal, right?
Matt Stagliano:It's very noble, I think those are the people that seem
Matt Stagliano:happiest and are often and this is the kicker disconnected the
Matt Stagliano:most from the digital world. Right? And are truly pursuing
Matt Stagliano:their art, I feel like this constant need to put out work or
Matt Stagliano:produce or say, Hey, here's what I do over and over and over, you
Matt Stagliano:know, nullifies some of the the satisfaction that you get from
Matt Stagliano:that journey. Oh, just my observation, but you guys know
Matt Stagliano:how I feel about this stuff.
Cat Ford-Coates:I think it's, it's an important topic, because
Cat Ford-Coates:as an artist, right, like it is the journey, it is about your
Cat Ford-Coates:development and your expression and your ability to, to create.
Cat Ford-Coates:But once you turn that into a business, the fight then becomes
Cat Ford-Coates:because you're paid on the outcome. So in a results driven
Cat Ford-Coates:world, right, it is also about the destination and your ability
Cat Ford-Coates:to execute. So learning to balance those two components is
Cat Ford-Coates:sort of like the sequel. And Nicole, you're gonna love this
Cat Ford-Coates:is the artist Forge, like being able to balance your need for
Cat Ford-Coates:your own development of of skill and expression, and also develop
Cat Ford-Coates:your ability to deliver. They are tangible, in both respects.
Cat Ford-Coates:So it's about understanding how to find center in that.
Nicole York:Ooh, that's a really, really good observation,
Nicole York:Kat, and I agree. I was just thinking, as you were saying
Nicole York:that how without those little, those little wins, right in
Nicole York:those little goalposts, those little results that we get it of
Nicole York:course, it's going to be really hard to keep moving forward,
Nicole York:right. And then and I mean, I think that's with anything if
Nicole York:you if you fight, and you never see any progress, and of course
Nicole York:there's always going to be some kind of frustration inherent in
Nicole York:that, but then that's compounded by the fact that if we're
Nicole York:business people, we need to deliver results. And of course,
Nicole York:like you said, Matt, you know, we're kind of inundated by
Nicole York:everybody else's successes all the time. Because often, we only
Nicole York:really want to post when we're killing it. And so we're getting
Nicole York:just everybody else's wins. And we're sitting there looking at
Nicole York:our stuff and being like, why am I not doing the thing? So I can
Nicole York:definitely see how that is an important thing to balance. And
Nicole York:I have kind of an interesting example of that, just from my
Nicole York:perspective. So I know I mentioned how in October, I was
Nicole York:really focusing on illustration, I'm doing that again in
Nicole York:December, I need to start building up the funds I need to
Nicole York:produce and market the book that I've written. So I'll be doing
Nicole York:Christmas illustrations for folks. And yesterday I was
Nicole York:working on, you know, what can I What can I make, maybe just a
Nicole York:few things that people will be able to look at and pick from
Nicole York:that I can move from image to image, so they're easy. And I
Nicole York:thought, a Nightmare Before Christmas type Christmas theme
Nicole York:would be really cool. So I started designing that. And I
Nicole York:was thinking about how, in the grand scheme of things, I'm not
Nicole York:really that great of an illustrator, I'm a, I'm a
Nicole York:newbie, when you look at, you know, the people who could you
Nicole York:could potentially hire. But last month, I had, I don't even know
Nicole York:how many people 20 some odd people pay me to illustrate
Nicole York:portraits for them. Because from their perspective, what they saw
Nicole York:in my work was good enough to warrant getting paid. And I'm
Nicole York:sure 10 years from now, I look back at that and go, I can't
Nicole York:believe anybody paid me for that. But I learned so much in
Nicole York:that process from drawing every single day straight through for
Nicole York:a month, I learned so much. And even though I wasn't necessarily
Nicole York:the best at it, and there were kind of a lot of things I had to
Nicole York:take away from that experience. Man, there's so much there, I
Nicole York:really enjoyed the process, I was able to like, really sink
Nicole York:into the different techniques and things that I can use. And
Nicole York:so a lot came out of that, even though it's not like I don't
Nicole York:like the images when I look at them. But I am at a place with
Nicole York:illustration where my tastes still outstrips my ability to
Nicole York:execute, and my technical skills. And so I definitely was
Nicole York:living there last month. And it was hard for me to recognize,
Nicole York:initially, what was really happening was I was getting paid
Nicole York:to learn, which is really cool. And certainly, if somebody else,
Nicole York:like I know, we've all experienced this at the
Nicole York:beginning of our careers, when we first started our businesses,
Nicole York:and we look back now at our photography, and we're like,
Nicole York:Man, I believe that somebody paid me to do that. But they
Nicole York:did, and they still loved what they got, even though we were in
Nicole York:process. So I wonder if there's a way to fold to fold that
Nicole York:balance of results. And hitting those goals and seeing yourself
Nicole York:succeed, to fold that into the process so that it doesn't
Nicole York:necessarily feel like the end of the journey. But just kind of
Nicole York:like a pit stop.
Cat Ford-Coates:I love that idea. Being able to sort of
Cat Ford-Coates:measure the results in a way that is also effective for for
Cat Ford-Coates:your heart space
Bekka Bjorke:in that.
Nicole York:Yeah, whoo. I like the way you said that. That
Nicole York:resonates with me a lot. Anybody else have any thoughts this
Nicole York:morning on the whole, looking at our journey as artists as the
Nicole York:goal, and not necessarily the end results that we give to
Nicole York:folks, or that we reach? If you're in the audience today,
Nicole York:please don't be afraid to raise your hand guys. It's Monday. We
Nicole York:want to chat with you. I know some people are at work. But if
Nicole York:you're in a space where you can chat, please raise your hand
Nicole York:come up and hang out. So What are y'all thinking about this
Nicole York:whole question? Do you think there is a way that we can fold
Nicole York:those results in the goals that we have for ourselves kind of
Nicole York:into the journey a little bit more so that like had said it
Nicole York:does feel good in your heart like it doesn't feel like a
Nicole York:constant a constant pick up and go and then burn it all down? I
Nicole York:mean, we can't it's really hard to Phoenix if we don't look at
Nicole York:the goal as the end state right? Like that's really
Cat Ford-Coates:that's where those measurable points kind of
Cat Ford-Coates:come into. Like, maybe you have you know, like, say it's a
Cat Ford-Coates:creative piece right and you're working on a new light set. but
Cat Ford-Coates:you really want to bring something together that's, you
Cat Ford-Coates:know, above level of your standard work. But you know, the
Cat Ford-Coates:intended outcome sorry, there's a squirrel that just leaped from
Cat Ford-Coates:one tree to the next. Hashtag Nicole moment. The end goal of
Cat Ford-Coates:that, obviously, is to book that more of those types of sessions,
Cat Ford-Coates:right? Well, nine times out of 10. But there are little wins
Cat Ford-Coates:along the way. Like, how excited you get when you know, you
Cat Ford-Coates:nailed the shot in camera, and you celebrate that that's no
Cat Ford-Coates:different than nailing like, the full edit on a set. Right? And
Cat Ford-Coates:then maybe you got a consultation from something you
Cat Ford-Coates:shared from behind the scenes reels. And okay, I got I got a
Cat Ford-Coates:consultation for this. That's awesome. That's so exciting. And
Cat Ford-Coates:then you move into, you know, just a little wind chunk it
Cat Ford-Coates:down. The little wins of that are just as valued. Like I just
Cat Ford-Coates:shared on Instagram. I opened up my reels just to kind of see how
Cat Ford-Coates:things are going. And I got an angel number on the creative
Cat Ford-Coates:reel I posted yesterday. And so I shared it, I was like I love
Cat Ford-Coates:seeing Angel numbers, especially on my favorite work. You know,
Cat Ford-Coates:it's those kinds of celebrations that sort of keep that momentum.
Matt Stagliano:I'm going to ask, what's an angel number?
Cat Ford-Coates:Like 777 1111 Gotcha, that manifestation
Cat Ford-Coates:numbers, I guess. Gotcha. Thanks.
Nicole York:Okay, I noticed you unmuted earlier.
Bekka Bjorke:Maybe it may just be sleepy delirium. All right, I
Bekka Bjorke:feel like I'm always kind of in that always growing state, and
Bekka Bjorke:I'm working with my, my small bite size goals. So I'm
Bekka Bjorke:constantly hitting that feeling of success, instead of focusing
Bekka Bjorke:on the greater long term goal, because I don't know where I'm
Bekka Bjorke:gonna be in 1020 years, I've got no idea, like, too many too many
Bekka Bjorke:variables to set something really big, and, you know,
Bekka Bjorke:specific. So like, when I'm working, like, I feel like I
Bekka Bjorke:always try to do something new on everything that I'm working
Bekka Bjorke:on. So whether that's just like, you know, learning some new
Bekka Bjorke:software thing, or, you know, approaching a subject that I
Bekka Bjorke:haven't really worked, you know, or approach before, with, with
Bekka Bjorke:painting, specifically, like working with different materials
Bekka Bjorke:and things like that, and even photo manipulation, same idea,
Bekka Bjorke:like how to get materials to look most realistic, and like
Bekka Bjorke:every artwork, whether it's personal, or for a client, it's
Bekka Bjorke:always gonna be different, right? So there's always going
Bekka Bjorke:to be this opportunity for me to try something new, and learn
Bekka Bjorke:something new and grow a little bit more. So I feel like I'm
Bekka Bjorke:constantly constantly in that state. But I definitely relate
Bekka Bjorke:to your brother, feeling like, Oh, I'm not special anymore. And
Bekka Bjorke:I'm out of practice. about other things like writing
Bekka Bjorke:specifically, I there was a long, long time where I wanted
Bekka Bjorke:to be a writer of some sort. And I ran a blog, a pretty
Bekka Bjorke:successful blog for a long time I wrote everyday in a journal
Bekka Bjorke:since I was a little kid. And then when I was like, 22 years
Bekka Bjorke:old, I just stopped. And I just keep telling myself, I'll get
Bekka Bjorke:back to it, I'll get back to it'll get back to it. There's
Bekka Bjorke:this huge part of my identity that made me feel so special,
Bekka Bjorke:that just faded away into the mist. And I know I could get
Bekka Bjorke:back there if I really wanted to, but it's motivating myself
Bekka Bjorke:to get back to it. That is just the tricky part.
Nicole York:For sure, especially when you have to kind
Nicole York:of fold that in amongst everything else that you're
Nicole York:doing, it starts to feel like an impossible process. And I think
Nicole York:that's where my, my deep, deep jealousy for all the people who
Nicole York:seem to have their single thing that they just they know, it's
Nicole York:theirs, like they were put on this earth to do that thing.
Nicole York:And, and that's what they focus on. I have deep, deep jealousy
Nicole York:for those people. Because it seems like and of course, this
Nicole York:is just from an outside perspective. But it seems like
Nicole York:man, your sense of identity with that must run so deep, right?
Nicole York:Like that. That's to feel like that is the thing. And I know
Nicole York:that I'm romanticizing it in my head, but that's always how it
Nicole York:seemed to me, instead of what I'm doing, which is constantly
Nicole York:running back and forth between five different things. And to
Nicole York:just seems like that, that must be it seems like it must be
Nicole York:wonderful. Even though I have no idea. I'm making shit up and
Nicole York:like it might be really horrible. I have no idea. But I
Nicole York:definitely have jealousy for those people.
Matt Stagliano:Do you think it's the element of time? In
Matt Stagliano:what way? It meaning like, we always feel like there's a time
Matt Stagliano:limit on we have to reach this by this certain time. or else
Matt Stagliano:we're not good, or else we're wasting time or else we're not
Matt Stagliano:going to get there. Whereas people that tend to fold it in,
Matt Stagliano:don't have the restraint of time. They're just in the
Matt Stagliano:moment, you know, it's like being present, right? It's, is
Matt Stagliano:it something like that? That is the differentiator between
Matt Stagliano:people that do it intuitively and people that feel like they
Matt Stagliano:have to try to do it. Am I making sense with that? It seems
Matt Stagliano:to be like time is the thing that is the differentiator here
Matt Stagliano:for me in this conversation.
Nicole York:I think you hit a big nail on the head where I'm
Nicole York:concerned, because that is actually one of my greatest
Nicole York:causes for existential dread is knowing that I will never have
Nicole York:enough time to paint or draw or photograph or write everything
Nicole York:that is in my head and knowing that some of those ideas will,
Nicole York:will never be seen. Not that nobody will ever do them,
Nicole York:because probably some other person will do them. But that
Nicole York:nobody will ever see the the way that I did them. That part of me
Nicole York:will never be out into the world, the way that I would have
Nicole York:said it or painted or photographed or whatever. Yep,
Nicole York:that is actually legitimately, like, gut wrenchingly scary for
Nicole York:me. And it's, it's a weird thing that I feel like I constantly
Nicole York:have to manage, being able to let things go. And know that
Nicole York:know that I'm picking and choosing which children to give
Nicole York:birth to is what it feels like, it is kind of terrible. So Oh,
Nicole York:for me, I think you me, I think that's 100%, right? Does anybody
Nicole York:else feel that pressure of time?
Bassam Sabbagh:I'm thinking of time in a bit of a different, a
Bassam Sabbagh:different aspect of time. Where early on in our in when we
Bassam Sabbagh:discover something new, I'm going to refer to myself, you
Bassam Sabbagh:know, discovering photography very, relatively late in my in
Bassam Sabbagh:my life, it seems that by default, it's all about the
Bassam Sabbagh:journey, because you don't know what you don't know. So it's
Bassam Sabbagh:hard to set goals, right, your goals or whatever, minimalis
Bassam Sabbagh:stupidest thing you can think of that you just found out today.
Bassam Sabbagh:Right? And, oh, that's my goal. That's what I want to do. And
Bassam Sabbagh:yes, you fantasize about, you know, I want to be the best
Bassam Sabbagh:photographer in the world. But you, you really don't know what
Bassam Sabbagh:you don't know. So by default, you enjoy the journey of
Bassam Sabbagh:learning, you get to a point where you start learning about
Bassam Sabbagh:the craft, you get to know more you get into the nuances, and
Bassam Sabbagh:then that's when goals take over. And then as time goes on,
Bassam Sabbagh:goals become we kind of default to goals becoming bigger than
Bassam Sabbagh:the journey itself, because now we understand now we know, oh,
Bassam Sabbagh:that's what I'd like to do. And you get consumed by that goal.
Bassam Sabbagh:And you forget about that journey of learning. I'm just
Bassam Sabbagh:describing a scenario because obviously, everybody you know,
Bassam Sabbagh:whatever you guys said about those that take the time and
Bassam Sabbagh:focus on the journey are the ones that seem to be like that
Bassam Sabbagh:we envy that we want to be like, but I think there's a natural
Bassam Sabbagh:tendency as you get to know more. You. You let goals take
Bassam Sabbagh:over the journey. making any sense? Don't all speak at the
Bassam Sabbagh:same time.
Nicole York:Sorry, I'm trying to do better at leaving open
Nicole York:space for other people to speak. So I'm not the first one. So
Nicole York:what do you guys think about what Assam had to say?
Bassam Sabbagh:I think I'll go back to British Columbia.
Matt Stagliano:Stick around, please. Yeah, I think there's
Matt Stagliano:there's a lot I'm just kind of sitting here in digesting it
Matt Stagliano:right. And then the thought that the image that keeps popping
Matt Stagliano:into my head is this straight line trip across the country
Matt Stagliano:from Washington, DC to California. And that's the
Matt Stagliano:journey and you're focused on it. You're going like, Yeah, I'm
Matt Stagliano:going to make it to California one day, and I'm getting there.
Matt Stagliano:And then all of the in between stops, the truck stops where you
Matt Stagliano:meet the interesting people, the little side adventures. Those
Matt Stagliano:are actually the goals that you inadvertently come across. But
Matt Stagliano:you still have that long journey to go. And I think if you only
Matt Stagliano:focus on what's at that next truckstop you'll never get to
Matt Stagliano:California. This is probably the worst analogy I've ever used.
Matt Stagliano:But it's the No I said I have going in my head. Do you know
Matt Stagliano:what I mean? It's like we we forget about the fact that we're
Matt Stagliano:going all the way across this country and what a monumental
Matt Stagliano:thing that will be when we finish. And we're only focused
Matt Stagliano:on man if I could just get some ding dongs at the next ta that'd
Matt Stagliano:be fantastic. And it's just it's not the same thing. Write?
Bassam Sabbagh:Well, in a way, what I was saying it's as if
Bassam Sabbagh:when you start something and you don't know much, it's likely you
Bassam Sabbagh:don't even know California exists, you're just set out. And
Bassam Sabbagh:the next thing you discover is your goal, because you don't
Bassam Sabbagh:even know what where, where you're gonna end up. That's
Bassam Sabbagh:really what I was trying to say. But as you learn more, and
Bassam Sabbagh:realize California is out there, now it becomes all about
Bassam Sabbagh:California, and you forget about the little steps to get there.
Bassam Sabbagh:You just want to get to California. That's really what I
Bassam Sabbagh:meant. I don't know if it makes sense. But that's,
Matt Stagliano:you know, I did? I did. No, it does. A while
Matt Stagliano:back, I did. I took a little psychedelic trip with some fun
Matt Stagliano:guys of mine. And we contemplated the the notion of
Matt Stagliano:true north, what is your spiritual, true north, what is
Matt Stagliano:your artistic true north, and it kind of folds into this
Matt Stagliano:discussion, because what I came out of that trip with was
Matt Stagliano:understanding that it is more about the journey, that it's
Matt Stagliano:less about the goals, that it's more about internal
Matt Stagliano:satisfaction, and just trying to find those frequencies that make
Matt Stagliano:you feel really good producing whatever it is that you produce,
Matt Stagliano:whether that's a cocktail, as a bartender or a piece of art.
Matt Stagliano:Everything is about what speaks to you in that moment. And I
Matt Stagliano:think, oftentimes, we lock ourselves into some preconceived
Matt Stagliano:notion of what we're supposed to be doing, or what the goal is
Matt Stagliano:supposed to be based on our previous experiences, rather
Matt Stagliano:than giving ourselves up to that true north to that, you know,
Matt Stagliano:direction towards California, or whatever, you know, analogy you
Matt Stagliano:want to use. But I find that we've kind of lost that artistic
Matt Stagliano:compass, sometimes in lieu of becoming business owners, or
Matt Stagliano:trying to reach some sort of, you know, temporary goal.
Nicole York:You know, what you just said, I'm going to steal
Nicole York:your analogy but, and expand upon like, what it's making me
Nicole York:think of as you guys are describing this journey that
Nicole York:we're on. So, imagine that you, you first learn how to drive,
Nicole York:and you're like, Oh, my God, driving is the best thing ever.
Nicole York:And I don't really know where I'm going, I just know, I have
Nicole York:to get out of here. And I'm going to drive, right, like, so
Nicole York:you just go. And you're doing all the things that Matt said,
Nicole York:You're stopping when you find a meadow on the side of the road
Nicole York:that you want to walk into, or stopping at a local diner and
Nicole York:chatting up the, you know, the waitress, or whatever it is
Nicole York:you're, you're really experiencing these things. And
Nicole York:then like the Somme said, all of a sudden, you're getting to be a
Nicole York:pretty good driver at this point. You never crash, you
Nicole York:never have any accidents, you always fill up when you should
Nicole York:you do your repairs when they need to be done. And you realize
Nicole York:that California is out there, and you're like, Oh, my God,
Nicole York:that's where I want to go. And all of a sudden, the truck stops
Nicole York:in the meadows. And all of those things become less interesting.
Nicole York:And pretty soon you're driving through the night, and you're
Nicole York:only stopping to go to the bathroom when nobody else is
Nicole York:around. Because you're heading so hard for California, that you
Nicole York:completely missed the rest of the country. And all of a sudden
Nicole York:you get there, and you're standing in California, and
Nicole York:you've run your car into the ground, and you've ignored half
Nicole York:of the trip. And you're looking and you're like this is
Nicole York:beautiful. This is amazing. Now what now what now where do I go.
Nicole York:And from there on. I mean, I think you have a decision to
Nicole York:make, right? You either find some other place to go when you
Nicole York:get on the road, and you blast toward that place and you start
Nicole York:looking for the location to replace the feeling you had when
Nicole York:you first started driving, like, you got to the location and you
Nicole York:went, oh my god, this is amazing. Just like you got in
Nicole York:the car and went, oh my god, this is amazing. But instead of
Nicole York:getting that feeling just from driving, and seeing and getting
Nicole York:out and experiencing the world, now you can only get it when you
Nicole York:hit that new location. And it takes a long time. You're in the
Nicole York:car for a long time between California and Washington state,
Nicole York:or British Columbia or wherever it is that you decide to head.
Nicole York:And those feelings come farther and farther in between. As
Nicole York:opposed to when you were just experiencing the joy of driving
Nicole York:and stopping at those places. You could have that feeling
Nicole York:almost any time you looked at your car windows, because you
Nicole York:just loved what you were doing so much. And that that idea has
Nicole York:just like as I was listening to you guys talk so most it's like
Nicole York:it flew and out of the window and whacked me in the chest and
Nicole York:I got all absorbed in it.
Cat Ford-Coates:Matt, do you want to say something or is this
Cat Ford-Coates:one of your mute moments?
Matt Stagliano:Nope, nope. I'm just unmute from the board, not
Matt Stagliano:from my phone.
Cat Ford-Coates:Gotcha. Um, you know, for bosoms example and
Cat Ford-Coates:process there, instead of considering it like California,
Cat Ford-Coates:right. One of one of the things, Sue says, when she teaches is,
Cat Ford-Coates:you know, as you as you grow in your business and in your art,
Cat Ford-Coates:you know, it's, you're growing up, not over. And she makes the
Cat Ford-Coates:this reference, like, it's the same view, it's just a different
Cat Ford-Coates:altitude. And the, the reasoning behind that is, you get more
Cat Ford-Coates:clarity about what's available to you, the higher you get on
Cat Ford-Coates:the proverbial mountain, so as you grow, and you reach new
Cat Ford-Coates:levels that you've set for yourself, and you stop and take
Cat Ford-Coates:stock of the view that's available to you, that gives you
Cat Ford-Coates:more information about what is available to you. So when you're
Cat Ford-Coates:starting, it's, you know, you're starting up the mountain, and
Cat Ford-Coates:you're like, I've got to get posing down my light, okay, I've
Cat Ford-Coates:got to do that and understand like how my camera works, and
Cat Ford-Coates:all the things, and that's what's available to you at the
Cat Ford-Coates:ground space. And then as you grow, you're like, oh, I can
Cat Ford-Coates:make a business out of this. Okay, and you have like, visuals
Cat Ford-Coates:of people that are trying to give you money because they
Cat Ford-Coates:desire what it is that you have to offer. And then as you know,
Cat Ford-Coates:your business grows, and you have more opportunity to develop
Cat Ford-Coates:your skills and becomes more sustainable. And then you get a
Cat Ford-Coates:little higher up the mountain. And then you look out and you're
Cat Ford-Coates:like, oh, man, I could go to California, right? Like, look at
Cat Ford-Coates:that it exists. And then what's available in California or New
Cat Ford-Coates:York or, you know, insert place here, because now it's on your
Cat Ford-Coates:radar, you can see it. And that gives you the ability to make
Cat Ford-Coates:informed decisions about what you want your path to look like.
Cat Ford-Coates:Does that mean that it's a straight shot from there to
Cat Ford-Coates:California? Of course not. But it means that now all of a
Cat Ford-Coates:sudden, it's on your radar, and you have the capability to
Cat Ford-Coates:visualize what that could look like for yourself.
Nicole York:I love that. Oh, go ahead.
Bassam Sabbagh:No, no, I was gonna say the same thing. I
Bassam Sabbagh:think your analogy, Nicole, and then cuts explanation, just
Bassam Sabbagh:like, really? Clarify what? You know, what I was trying to say
Bassam Sabbagh:but but also what? What to realize as you go along and not,
Bassam Sabbagh:you know, and not be consumed that often by that ultimate
Bassam Sabbagh:goal, that you have options, that you have different ways of
Bassam Sabbagh:getting there, that you have different routes to get there,
Bassam Sabbagh:that you can do it in different vehicles and different types of
Bassam Sabbagh:transportation, and so on and so forth. Right?
Nicole York:For sure. And I think that's why I'm just now
Nicole York:thinking back on a conversation that we had before. Matt had
Nicole York:said something about how, and I can't remember who else who else
Nicole York:said what, but we were talking about the fact that the media
Nicole York:that we consume, makes it look like the the end is really the
Nicole York:goal. Like I was just thinking that we watched this, this
Nicole York:recent movie that was released on Apple TV with Tom Hanks,
Nicole York:called Finch I think, and you know, the whole journey, they're
Nicole York:trying to get to a certain place. And that's where the
Nicole York:movie ends, right? Of course, there's always you get this kind
Nicole York:of feeling of hope, whenever you're watching a journey movie,
Nicole York:where now they're about to do something new, but everything is
Nicole York:always geared toward the place. And then they're standing in the
Nicole York:place and you feel like, ah, they've made it. But that's
Nicole York:where the movie ends, like the whole movie you spent on a
Nicole York:journey. And so I wonder if we get also a kind of weird, I
Nicole York:don't want to call it like an indoctrination or anything.
Nicole York:thing. But we get this weird feeling through the stories we
Nicole York:tell that it is the end of the story, the end of the journey
Nicole York:that we are supposed to be looking for. And we kind of
Nicole York:start to ignore the fact that the only reason the movie or
Nicole York:story existed was so that you would take the journey, because
Nicole York:it ends at the end. So I find that a really kind of It's a
Nicole York:strange dichotomy to balance. Like you were saying, cat as an
Nicole York:artist, where of course, the end goal of the sculpture is to hold
Nicole York:a sculpture in your hand. And the end goal of taking a
Nicole York:photograph is to have a photograph. But when we only
Nicole York:focus on that, or when we think that that is somehow the most
Nicole York:important part of the experience definitely seems like we're
Nicole York:missing a lot. So I just wonder how much that plays into our
Nicole York:mindset. If sometimes the media that we consume kind of fools us
Nicole York:into thinking that the goal that the end date is all
Bassam Sabbagh:Am I think is nickel cutting out though we was
Bassam Sabbagh:going at ultra high speed sometimes also,
Matt Stagliano:to say that Yep. So Nicole, you're you're having
Matt Stagliano:some some lag issues with your speaking does come out but what
Matt Stagliano:clubhouse does is it collects all that and then spits it out
Matt Stagliano:back at us really, really fast. So just letting you know that
Matt Stagliano:there's some audio stuff going on. It's part
Bassam Sabbagh:of our new as part of our new productivity
Nicole York:I wasn't I wouldn't do it for productivity per se, I
Nicole York:just wanted to not be cold and also productive. Okay, I am. I
Nicole York:thought it's funny because you guys say that. And I weirdly
Nicole York:thought that it was you all who were having connection that she
Nicole York:said realized permanent that it was me. Okay, this is this
Nicole York:working a little better.
Matt Stagliano:The better thing to do I found is to get off of
Matt Stagliano:Wi Fi and just use your cellular service, it tends to be a bit
Matt Stagliano:more solid if you happen to be in an area like that.
Nicole York:Okay, I'm going to give that a go. I turned off my
Nicole York:Wi Fi, we'll see how we'll see how the the five G's work.
Nicole York:Anybody from the audience today, y'all? Do you have any
Nicole York:experience with this? What it's like, what's your experiences on
Nicole York:the journey? And is there a way we can fold those goals that we
Nicole York:need to have so that we want to keep going into the experience
Nicole York:so that we don't miss out on the fact that the experience
Matt Stagliano:I mean, that the simple fact of just keeping that
Matt Stagliano:as a thought, right? When you're feeling that pressure of God,
Matt Stagliano:this sucks, or you know, I never gonna reach that goal or I'm
Matt Stagliano:feeling, you know, like I'm doing some level of comparison
Matt Stagliano:or imposter syndrome or whatnot. It is that simple reframing that
Matt Stagliano:it is the journey and not necessarily this end goal that
Matt Stagliano:whatever I'm doing now is leading me towards something
Matt Stagliano:better, something more in line with what I want. And your gut
Matt Stagliano:will tell you whether or not you're on that path. And when
Matt Stagliano:you feel like you've strayed too far from it, it's time to do a
Matt Stagliano:little bit of that reframing. If you suddenly find yourself not
Matt Stagliano:interacting with your art or producing anything whatsoever
Matt Stagliano:that brings you joy or brings you money or whatever it is that
Matt Stagliano:that you find as satisfaction in what you do. The second you
Matt Stagliano:start pulling back from that, take a look at what you are
Matt Stagliano:doing and understand is this part of my, my overall journey
Matt Stagliano:or not? Can I reframe this so that I'm not dissatisfied with
Matt Stagliano:what I'm seeing? Or dissatisfied with this point in time? But how
Matt Stagliano:do I continue like Kant said, Keep climbing that mountain keep
Matt Stagliano:getting different views, because there's always another place to
Matt Stagliano:go. Always another.
Nicole York:Such a good point. And Carol also has come up.
Nicole York:Hello.
Unknown:Hi, I was invited over and over to come to this room
Unknown:and and morning is not usually my best suit. But so I actually
Unknown:made it this morning. And I was told you guys are interesting.
Unknown:Yes, you are. And I was gonna say about the journey analogy.
Unknown:I've been on the journey, enjoying the whole way. And now
Unknown:I'm almost to California. And I'm looking to oh well how not
Unknown:sure how you fit the analogy but I'll just say it I'm older and I
Unknown:have all this work done all my artwork and, and designs and
Unknown:things that could be monetized. And I'm a person that you know,
Unknown:kind of I I just haven't been able to figure out the things
Unknown:that are difficult for me to you know, all of the all of all the
Unknown:business the technology I should have coffee for sorry. The
Unknown:Business Technology, marketing and social media and stuff like
Unknown:that. And when people see me My work they seem to really like
Unknown:it. And, and I've had this amazing thing just happened
Unknown:recently where somebody said, Well, this, this lady that's in
Unknown:fashion said, I don't think you realize what you're sitting on,
Unknown:you have a gold mind here, you know, when she saw my, my work,
Unknown:and then I had the experience of somebody seeing my art saying,
Unknown:You're the real deal, I don't think you realize what you're
Unknown:sitting on. You know, not, they didn't both term it the same
Unknown:way. But they were both saying the same thing. And I don't
Unknown:know, I guess I don't know, where the the, you know, the
Unknown:train is to California or whatever, you know, I can't seem
Unknown:to make the connection to benefit from all my work. I've
Unknown:definitely enjoyed exploring and creating original things and
Unknown:things that most people have never seen. And they've only
Unknown:seen a tiny bit of it. And they exclaim all this stuff, you
Unknown:know, that is real positive. But you know, I just don't know how,
Unknown:how to finally arrive at, you know, the end of the rainbow,
Unknown:I've been enjoying the rainbow to change the analogy along the
Unknown:way. Because that's just I have to do it. It doesn't matter if
Unknown:at at this point, it does matter. But it wasn't ever about
Unknown:the money. It wasn't ever about the acclaim of anybody seeing
Unknown:it, but I have to say I'm enjoying that part. But it was
Unknown:about the experimentation, like a scientist with art, you know,
Unknown:just going all these different directions. And so enjoying
Unknown:doing all that and feeling I got, I'm finally doing what I've
Unknown:always wanted to do, and I just have so many ideas. I just want
Unknown:to keep exploring. And that's that almost is the problem. I
Unknown:want to keep exploring. On the other hand, since I'm almost
Unknown:California. I don't want my stuff to end up in a thrift shop
Unknown:somewhere. Because people haven't seen it. You know, and,
Unknown:man, I'm not a salesman. I don't maybe I'm selling like I'm
Unknown:selling my stuff right now. I don't know, I guess that's what
Unknown:people do. But I really don't like that part. I want to just
Unknown:continue to make the art and stuff. So anyway, I don't know
Unknown:what you guys have to say about that. Carolyn den speaking.
Unknown:Thanks.
Bassam Sabbagh:You are so welcome, Carol. It's so nice to
Bassam Sabbagh:have you here. And thanks for sharing that then you seem to be
Bassam Sabbagh:kind of in this happy place of discovery and excitement,
Bassam Sabbagh:excitement. And I just have a quick question for you maybe to
Bassam Sabbagh:help us understand you said I'm close to California, would you
Bassam Sabbagh:be able to describe what California looks like to you
Bassam Sabbagh:right now where you are just a brief description of what does
Bassam Sabbagh:that goal look like to you?
Unknown:It would be to me having options that
Unknown:unfortunately, money creates, you know, being able to move, my
Unknown:very ideal place would be you know, to maybe live in a 500
Unknown:square foot space. The Living part isn't important. But what's
Unknown:important is the 2000 square foot or 10,000 square foot
Unknown:whatever because I already feel 2000 square foot of art this
Unknown:space to be able to show sell, organized teach have workshops,
Unknown:you know 2000 square foot warehouse. I don't care if it's
Unknown:air conditioned or not. You know that I can be there all night if
Unknown:I want to it's right by my house. Those things you know you
Unknown:can't I mean suburbia, four bedroom house and our house is
Unknown:like a studio. It's there's no comfortable place for my poor
Unknown:retired husband to enjoy the space at all, you know, but it
Unknown:but it all takes capital and I have all this capital I'm
Unknown:tripping over. I just don't know how to make that happen. Carolyn
Unknown:done. I hope that wasn't too long.
Nicole York:No, not at all. Carol. I was just sitting here
Nicole York:thinking about your experience and how it's really interesting
Nicole York:that we can kind of think of the same analogy, but at different
Nicole York:parts, and I certainly can identify with you in being so
Nicole York:into the journey and seeing so many wonderful opportunities. to
Nicole York:stop and explore that all of a sudden, you find yourself three
Nicole York:quarters of the way through and you go, Oh, man, I did not
Nicole York:prepare myself for the end at all. And what does that look
Nicole York:like for me, we're kind of, we're in a situation like that
Nicole York:my husband is about to retire from the military. And we are
Nicole York:forced for the first time to ask ourselves, not how we can make
Nicole York:our situation, or make ourselves love the situation that we're
Nicole York:in, but how we can decide for ourselves what we want the end
Nicole York:goal to be. And it's definitely a different mindset and requires
Nicole York:a whole different, a whole different approach. So I really
Nicole York:appreciate you sharing that story. And also, I, I definitely
Nicole York:understand where you're where what California looks like for
Nicole York:you for that freedom to have a space to, to create and sell and
Nicole York:teach and for your art to have its own place. It's not
Nicole York:necessarily eating up your home, but is a place people can come
Nicole York:to not only to learn, but to get into by an experience. And so if
Nicole York:you were in Carolyn's place, and you had a lifetime's worth of
Nicole York:art there and experience, how do you go about then getting the
Nicole York:California getting to that place? What are the steps that
Nicole York:you take to start selling that art, and your designs and all of
Nicole York:the other things so that you can have the new journey that
Nicole York:California is going to afford? If you're in the audience today,
Nicole York:and you've been on that journey, and you think you have an
Nicole York:answer? We'd love to have you raise your hand. Other
Nicole York:moderators? What do you guys think? How does she move?
Matt Stagliano:I think there's the, the expectation that we
Matt Stagliano:have to do everything ourselves. And quite frankly, Carol, it
Matt Stagliano:sounds like that would be a bit overwhelming. So find people
Matt Stagliano:that can help find people that can promote your work, talk to
Matt Stagliano:an agent, talk to an agency, say, Here's my body of work.
Matt Stagliano:What can we do here, right, because a business isn't your
Matt Stagliano:thing, don't make business your thing. At this point, right?
Matt Stagliano:Find people that can help find an agency, find a manager, find
Matt Stagliano:someone in the fashion industry that digs your patterns. And,
Matt Stagliano:you know, maybe you can do some sort of collaboration and look
Matt Stagliano:for, you know, points on whatever sales get made. But
Matt Stagliano:it's kind of like those of us that do photography, and we
Matt Stagliano:don't want to outsource anymore, it's we don't want to retouch
Matt Stagliano:anymore and we want to outsource it, same kind of thing,
Matt Stagliano:outsource the business part, I understand that it will probably
Matt Stagliano:cost you a little bit. But if you're looking for a way to
Matt Stagliano:monetize, you know, what you've created over an entire lifetime,
Matt Stagliano:start looking for outside help. And, you know, start talking to
Matt Stagliano:people that you trust. And you know, find those managers find
Matt Stagliano:those agencies that might be able to point you in the right
Matt Stagliano:direction, or just help you out, right.
Nicole York:And if you have not yet gone over to Carol's
Nicole York:Instagram page, which you can highly encourage you to go check
Nicole York:it out, she has really fun, bold patterns that are full of life
Nicole York:and energy. And I can certainly see why something like this
Nicole York:would really catch on and just make people want to wear things
Nicole York:that make them feel full of life. So I'm highly encourage
Nicole York:you guys to go check it out. And I would agree with Matt, I
Nicole York:think, you know, if it's important for us to recognize if
Nicole York:we are artists, or business people or both, some of us, like
Nicole York:cat are amazing at both others are really struggling one area
Nicole York:or the other. Maybe we're a fantastic business person. But
Nicole York:getting to the art part is difficult for us. I'm the
Nicole York:opposite direction, I will make everything under the sun. But
Nicole York:running a business has always been a struggle for me. So I
Nicole York:would definitely agree with Matt, I would really encourage
Nicole York:you to see if you can find people who can start helping you
Nicole York:get the message about your work out. I am happy to share your
Nicole York:Instagram page on my Facebook and let people know that you're
Nicole York:there. Maybe everybody else can do the same. If you go and have
Nicole York:a look at Carol's Instagram, maybe you can share that in your
Nicole York:stories. If you connect with the type of work that she does, or
Nicole York:you think you know, somebody who would really love to get their
Nicole York:hands on some of those designs. They're so fun and bold. So
Nicole York:that's a really fantastic place to start. And then there are
Nicole York:also places that you can look, I know that not all of us are so
Nicole York:flush with cash, that we can hire someone outright. There are
Nicole York:also places like Upwork where you can work with folks, you can
Nicole York:find out what their budget is, what their what their minimum
Nicole York:required requirements are how much they would charge and work
Nicole York:with folks there. And for a lot of folks, working with somebody
Nicole York:in a different economy can make a big difference because you can
Nicole York:really contribute to their way of life and help raise them up
Nicole York:and appreciate the the work that they do, while also being able
Nicole York:to access something that you can afford. So that's a place that
Nicole York:you might be able to look as well to find some of the help
Nicole York:that Matt is mentioning. Anybody else any more ideas for Carol
Nicole York:and some of the
Bassam Sabbagh:I always recommend that if you are
Bassam Sabbagh:interested in I don't want to say turning it into a business
Bassam Sabbagh:but at least having avenues to to have your art live or sell or
Bassam Sabbagh:whatever it is. Be curious about the industry where that kind of
Bassam Sabbagh:art sells like how does it work? How does it you know, even puck
Bassam Sabbagh:like like Matt says maybe you could just talk to somebody
Bassam Sabbagh:simply to understand the business or the market or the
Bassam Sabbagh:industry. Related to that art, just just because that's kind of
Bassam Sabbagh:will give you a little hints about the possibilities, right,
Bassam Sabbagh:because it's not just about selling it or having an agent
Bassam Sabbagh:sell it or, or it's not just for the fashion industry, it could
Bassam Sabbagh:be you'd be surprised where it where it can be where it where
Bassam Sabbagh:you can either sell it or or display it or whatever. So just
Bassam Sabbagh:be curious about the actual thing, and how it works in real
Bassam Sabbagh:life outside of your,
Unknown:you know, your realm. I just want to say thank you for
Unknown:that. I definitely took notes. I feel like I have been trying all
Unknown:along the way. And every time I have, you know, not met with
Unknown:success or made that that vital connection and all before
Unknown:clubhouse, okay, I think clubhouse offers, you know,
Unknown:visibility and, and connection and things like that. But I
Unknown:opened my first Shopify, and my husband's trying to help me and
Unknown:he's like, wow, now I have to learn this and that and this and
Unknown:that. And he said, even when I worked, I used to have days off,
Unknown:because I'm a hard hitter, I want to keep working every day.
Unknown:I don't want to make him feel like he has to you know, I
Unknown:didn't say he has to help me with anything. He's been just
Unknown:really great about that. But yeah, it's about that
Unknown:connection, it, it seems to always go back to that, you
Unknown:know, who you know, kind of thing because this lady is like
Unknown:the head of some Canadian fashion console. And she showed
Unknown:me that there's this 30 year old millionaire, that has the
Unknown:tiniest fraction compared to what I have, and, you know,
Unknown:quality wise, you know, I didn't find her worthwhile, that
Unknown:interesting. And she's, she has her own her own whole, you know,
Unknown:companies selling her, her designs on clothing and things
Unknown:like that. And now she's tried to expand on, you know, teaching
Unknown:other things, I don't feel like she has the body of work at all.
Unknown:If she can do it, she must have known somebody that has been
Unknown:she, she must be really wise in those areas that obviously I'm
Unknown:not, I did check into Fiverr. And I tried to see about, you
Unknown:know, getting patterns turned into vector because I found out
Unknown:the way I was producing them was too low resolution for the
Unknown:industry and stuff like that. I didn't have any luck, I had
Unknown:three responses, no follow through. But I did hear about
Unknown:Upwork I just need to formulate what I need to ask them. I'm not
Unknown:sure what all they can do. But if they can, if I can find a rep
Unknown:or something that that would be ideal. I want to keep working,
Unknown:you know, that is my forte. And I do realize I can't do
Unknown:everything I don't even want to I am not ADHD I'm not if you're
Unknown:not interested in it, you're not going to want to do it, right.
Unknown:That's probably part of the problem. But I'm willing to
Unknown:throw some money at it for sure. I don't have a lot. I'm on
Unknown:Social Security. We have a little bit saved. So I had to be
Unknown:very careful. And that's scary because everybody on clubhouse
Unknown:can help you just sign up for this you know. So anyway, that,
Unknown:you know, how do I find someone that is trusted that that really
Unknown:is in an industry because these guys, they're not in the
Unknown:industry. They're in the industry of selling their
Unknown:workshops and, and things like that, you know, so I need to
Unknown:make a connection where everybody would love that
Unknown:connection. You know, that is an artist kind of thing? I don't
Unknown:know, I haven't been able to make the jump. So yes, I'm
Unknown:absolutely open to hearing from people. And thank you so much
Unknown:for all you said I'd so appreciate.
Nicole York:Absolutely. As we are coming here, too, we've kind
Nicole York:of past the end of our hour a little bit, but that's okay. Cuz
Nicole York:we had a fantastic conversation today. And it was really, really
Nicole York:wonderful to hear from you, Carol. And like I said, I hope
Nicole York:that everybody will go and give Carol's Instagram a like and a
Nicole York:share. Let people know that she's out there. Carol, where
Nicole York:can we find your store? Your Shopify, is that up and running
Nicole York:it?
Unknown:Yes, it is. It's the same name as what's on my
Unknown:profile. It's www that a carol original.com.
Nicole York:Beautiful. Okay, so go check out her stuff, find
Nicole York:some ways that you can share her work. And if you I have been out
Nicole York:of the fashion industry for a little while. So I don't,
Nicole York:unfortunately, have anybody that I can put you in contact with,
Nicole York:aside from the fact that there's a whole lot of photographers
Nicole York:here. And so those kinds of collaborations can always be
Nicole York:really incredibly helpful. And so that might be something worth
Nicole York:looking into. Just about everybody here is a photographer
Nicole York:of some stripe. And having that additional visibility can always
Nicole York:be a really great thing. So that might be something worth looking
Nicole York:into. But if you do have connections out there, where
Nicole York:Carol might be able to take advantage of those or you think
Nicole York:it would be a really good fit. Feel free to message Carolyn,
Nicole York:throw those her way. I see that David has his hand up. So I'm
Nicole York:grabbing you, David. We'll hear from you before we close down
Nicole York:for today. Hi, what's how are you? Good. Well, what did you
Nicole York:have to contribute to the conversation today? Oh. All
Nicole York:right. All right. That was unfortunate. So yeah, so if you
Nicole York:know somebody that you might be able to throw Carol's way,
Nicole York:please do that. If you have some ideas for her, please feel free
Nicole York:to message her. And let's keep in mind today that we are always
Nicole York:no matter where we're headed. The journey is the part that we
Nicole York:have to walk every single day. And if we're not spending those
Nicole York:days, in a way that feels worthwhile, then we need to stop
Nicole York:and check in with ourselves and try to figure out where that's
Nicole York:coming from? Is it because we haven't really prepared
Nicole York:ourselves for the end of the journey? Is it because we
Nicole York:started off without really knowing where we're going? Or is
Nicole York:it because we're focusing on that long term goal so hard that
Nicole York:we have stopped really being present in our everyday life, to
Nicole York:enjoy what we are doing now. And what we have available to us
Nicole York:now? Stop and smell the roses, guys. So make sure that you ask
Nicole York:yourself those questions. If you do find that everyday feels like
Nicole York:a grind, instead of a joy. If everyday feels like a struggle,
Nicole York:instead of another opportunity to live the kind of life that
Nicole York:you want for yourself, it's time to figure out what's going on.
Nicole York:And if you do, if you figure that out, man, share it with
Nicole York:somebody, let them know how you got to that place of making
Nicole York:every day feel like the life that you're living is
Nicole York:worthwhile. Even though your goal might still be a long ways
Nicole York:away. You just found the golden key guys. So share that with
Nicole York:people. Because unfortunately, none of us are promised
Nicole York:tomorrow. And if I come to the end of my life, whatever that
Nicole York:might be, without having reached those goals I set for myself, is
Nicole York:that going to be a regret? Or am I going to have been so grateful
Nicole York:to live the life that I had? That it's going to be? It's
Nicole York:going to be soft and quiet. I don't know. I think that's what
Nicole York:we want for ourselves. I can't help but think that that is
Nicole York:really the end of the rainbow. So let's be considering that
Nicole York:this week. Make sure you're loving your journey guys. And I
Nicole York:hope that you will join us tomorrow morning at 7am Mountain
Nicole York:Standard Time that is 6am for the West Coast 9am for the East
Nicole York:Coast, afternoon for our friends overseas. You can also check out
Nicole York:the Facebook group which is pinned up above. It is a
Nicole York:wonderful space where people share a lot of fantastic
Nicole York:information. So go hang out there if you'd like to join us
Nicole York:besom recently wrote a really really amazing in depth.
Nicole York:fantastic article about non negotiables. I know you've heard
Nicole York:him talk about that before. We've covered it quite a few
Nicole York:times in here how valuable they are and how much they can help
Nicole York:you in different areas. aspects of your life. So, head to the
Nicole York:artists forged calm, go in there, check out that article,
Nicole York:share it with people, because hearing about this idea of non
Nicole York:negotiables and how you can frame that into the way that you
Nicole York:think and work could really make a big difference to a lot of
Nicole York:people. So let them know that that resource exists for them.
Nicole York:And I hope we will see you all bright and early tomorrow
Nicole York:morning. In the meantime, go make something amazing.
Matt Stagliano:Thanks again for listening to this live clubhouse
Matt Stagliano:discussion moderated by all of us at the artist Forge. We hope
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